MONEY: Tax deferred maybe a trap!

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That’s the message in President Obama’s budget for fiscal 2014, which for the first time proposes to cap the amount Americans can save in these tax-sheltered investment vehicles. The White House explanation is that some people have accumulated “substantially more than is needed to fund reasonable levels of retirement saving.” So Mr. Obama proposes to “limit an individual’s total balance across tax-preferred accounts to an amount sufficient to finance an annuity of not more than $205,000 per year in retirement, or about $3 million for someone retiring in 2013.” 

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When the big IRA / 401k accounts are thought about logically, are they not converting “capital gains” into “ordinary income”?

Would they be better off making investments in taxable accounts?

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Mar. 16, 2013 10:12pm Erica Ritz

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Congratulations Cyprus savers – you were just betrayed by both your politicians, and by Europe – sorry, but you are the “creeping impairments” in the game known as European bankruptcy. And so is anywhere between 6.75% and 9.9% of your money, which you were foolish enough to keep with your banks (where at least you were compensated with a savings yield of… 0%).

More importantly, as of this morning Europe has finally grasped that there is a 6.75% to 9.9% premium to holding physical cash in your mattress rather than having it stored with your local friendly insolvent bank.

Luckily Cyrpus is so “small” what just happened there will never happen anywhere else: after all in Europe nobody has ever heard of “setting an example“. Or so the thinking among Europe’s unthinking political elite goes…

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So, how do you, the average Sheeple, protect yourself?

Don’t think that this will go unnoticed around the world!

My concern is not so much a tax on “savings”; my concern is a seizure of IRA/401ks.

Figure there are only about 3k financial institutions that are “custodians”. All regulated up the wazoo by the District of Corruption. 

Every so often, “trial balloons” get floated about the Gooferment taking those in exchange for an “enhanced Social Security benefit”.

So my gold and silver bullion or nickels strategy don’t look so bad now!

Sometimes capital preservation is more important than investment gain lost!

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MONEY: ROTH IRA’s tax-free status may NOT be dependible

Roth IRA Conversion Question
For Immediate Release
April 22, 2010

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Question: Regarding Roth IRA conversions, what is there to prevent the government 10, 20 or 30 years from now taking these Roth IRAs and changing rules and making them taxable, either all or in part, or making them subject to the AMT?

Ric: There is nothing preventing Congress from doing that. That is one of our objections to the Roth IRA and specifically to the Roth IRA Conversion.

Congress says Roth IRA withdrawals are tax-free, but we get a new Congress every two years. Planning to retire in 20 years? That’s 10 Congresses from now.

If the government needs more revenue, a future Congress might decide to tax the money held in Roth accounts. You can even argue that this is why Congress allows Roth conversions in the first place: The conversion does not necessarily lower your taxes, but it does accelerate your payment of them. By getting you to convert, Congress gets the tax revenue now. Clever, huh?

Do you trust Congress to honor its promises? The more you do, the more confident you can be about putting money in the Roth IRA. Personally, I am not terribly confident.

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The out of control congress doesn’t inspire confidence.

As they cast around for “revenue”, the 401ks and IRAs must certainly be attractive.

Watch your wealth it’s hunting season for money in DC!

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POLITICAL: We can’t afford gooferment skrools!

Tuesday, April 13, 2010

The dangers of governing with a mandate you haven’t earned

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To be fair, the governor had a disastrous fiscal situation to deal with. The state has been spending more than it has been taking in for years, and it has been clear since the day Jon Corzine took office in 2006 that something had to be done. To his credit, Gov. Christie is attempting to put the state on sounder fiscal footing; his approach, however, ignores public priorities and has little to do with fairness.

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Unfortunately, “we” are at the time where the earth is shifting under our “collective feet”.

We, as a society, can no longer afford gooferment supplied “education”.

Sorry, but that is a “facts of life”. There’s just too many “facts”. Too much “overhead”. Too many chiefs. Too many “mandates”. Too many “union rules”. Too little innovation. Too much “entrenched fiefdoms”.

Christie is just one in a long line of politicians who are trying to adjust. Like a soon to be dead fish, flopping around on the dock. A lot of activity without much chance of success.

Dewey and Mann were socialists who brought the Prussian model of education to the USA. It was right for what they wanted to accomplish — socialism. It was, and is, wrong because it’s not what the American people want or need.

As an IT/BPR practitioner, we need to recognize the basics. Parents need to be in charge. Education is just one more aspect of the things a parent needs to provide. We need a plan to migrate from where we are to where we want to be. It took almost 100 years to get into this mess; it will take decades to get out.

Recognizing the problem is the first step!

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GOVEROTRAGEOUS: When you file your return … …

Illegals bilk taxpayers in $13 million fraud ring ‘This is an extraordinarily serious, large case’
Posted: April 06, 2010 9:24 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

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McDonald told the newspaper that two tax preparation companies, Seguros Internacionales, in Spartanburg and Forest City, N.C., and Poz Servicios Para Hispanos, in Boiling Springs, and associated individuals filed at least 10,000 federal income tax returns and claimed more than $22 million in refunds. The two firms are said to have been shut down.

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“The fraud can go undetected for years – until the child looks for a job as a teenager,” he explained.

Rubenstein adds that the ACTC is even available to illegals without Social Security numbers. They simply use an Income Taxpayer Identification Number, or ITIN, which he says the “IRS is only too happy to provide.”

According to the report, the General Accounting Office has reported that the IRS estimates between 27 and 32 percent of EITC dollars are collected fraudulently.

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Yeah, when you file your return, think about the EITC and get mad.

The whole income tax fiasco should make you mad anyway, but this should just send you off the deep end!

It does me.


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POLITICAL: Why are charities running shopping centers?

Komen for the Cure Deepens Ties With Planned Parenthood Abortion Business
by Steven Ertelt Editor
April 1, 2010

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Washington, DC ( — The Komen for the Cure breast cancer foundation has been under fire from pro-life advocates for years for its ties to the Planned Parenthood abortion business. In a new column, pro-life writer Jill Stanek uncovers new information showing the link between the two groups is deepening.

Komen’s ties to Planned Parenthood are well documented and figures from STOPP International show Komen chapters giving $711,485 from April 1, 2005 to March 31, 2006 to Planned Parenthood affiliates.

And in numbers provided to the Associated Press, Susan G. Komen for the Cure spokeswoman Rebecca Gibson confirmed 19 of the 122 Komen affiliates made grants totaling $374,253 to Planned Parenthood during the 2005-2006 fiscal year.

Figures show Komen affiliates have given Planned Parenthood $3 million between 2003 and 2008 and $805,000 in the 2008 fiscal year.

Those donations and links have continued as Komen affiliates in California, Idaho, Colorado, Iowa, Texas, and other states have either made donations or worked with Planned Parenthood abortion centers.

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Stanek says the response leaves open more questions about the Planned Parenthood-Komen relationship.

“Why didn’t PPGNW cash in its inheritance? Why didn’t Eric buy? If the share was willed, it was worth something. The real-estate market was thriving in 2006. It appears both partners are OK with this now four-year-old business partnership,” she responded.

Brinker also attempted to defend the donations to Planned Parenthood in his contact with Stanek, saying “only “20 of Komen’s 122 U.S. Affiliates fund breast-health services through local Planned Parenthood clinics” and adding the total money given represents “less than one percent of the total granted by affiliates.”

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Related web sites:

Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation –

National Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer –


Interesting question is why are charities running shopping centers?

Could it be because they are tax-deductible?


More stuff that makes no sense.

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Thursday, February 04, 2010

Driving the rich away

Hank Kalet


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Dear Anonymous:

>we should reduce taxes on businesses and corporations because it will create jobs.

Help me understand something: A business sells “stuff”. It adds up all its costs, tacks on some profit, and people but that “stuff”. A corporate tax is just ANOTHER cost. The business actually EITHER passes it along to the consumer OR goes out of business.


(Ignore for the moment that if it reduces its obscene profit to cover the tax so as not to pass it along. It still is passing that tax along by accepting a lower profit.)

So, we should have a ZERO corporate tax for NO OTHER REASON than it conceals exactly how much we are paying in taxes.


Jobs has nothing to do with it! Honesty does.

If I buy a can of beans, I have NO way of knowing how much “tax” I am paying in the price of that can of beans.

On April 15th, the tax I paid on that can of beans isn’t in what I pay as “my taxes”. It’s hidden.

I think if people knew what they were paying, really and truly, bottom line number, there would be a GIANT revolt. Make the Tea Parites of last summer look like a gardent tea party.

It’s actually much worse than we can intuit. When a company makes a capital good that other companies use to make “stuff” we have taxes on top of taxes being hidden. Buried hip deep in obfuscation.

And the congresscritters like it just that way. Keep the rubes dumb about what they are actually paying for this class of a “new priesthood” in the District of Corruption and other “capitols”!


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POLITICAL: Amish exempt from Obamacare?

Amish families exempt from insurance mandate
HEALTH REFORM: People with religious objections can opt out

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WASHINGTON — Federal health care reform will require most Northern New Yorkers — but not all, it turns out — to carry health insurance or risk a fine.

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They get an exception, but we get abortion?

How come the Hyde Amendment and the conscience exception get dropped? And abortion funding is Rahm-ed up our … ?

Pitchfork and torch in hand, I’m ready. Are you?

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GOVEROTRAGEOUS: A new tax; just say “no”

A 400 Percent (and Higher) Excise Tax
  by Michael S. Rozeff

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The Wall Street Journal brings more bad news. A headline reads “Lawmakers Weigh a Wall Street Tax.” The first mention of this was in October. The proposal has not died as Congress seeks new ways to finance its profligate spending. Both houses are considering legislation.

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I oppose ALL taxes. New or old. It’s just giving drugs to an addict.

Cut gooferment spending now!

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MONEY: The Roth IRA Conversion Conundrum

Ric Edelman in “The Roth IRA Conversion Conundrum” points out while you CAN convert your IRA to a ROTH. Unless the circumstances are just right, you shouldn’t. Why all the BUZZ about doing it? Well guess who makes out if you do it? Yup, the brokers and the gooferment! Paying taxes when it is not needed or wrong is always disastrous

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POLITICS: The philosophy of taxes

The Truth About Taxes
Monday, 31st August 2009 (by J.D.)

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Note: Although I try to keep GRS a politics-free zone, today’s topic is inherently political. I’ve stayed as neutral as possible in the article, but I know that there’ll be some political discussion in the comments. Please keep conversation civil, as always.

Because I was frustrated with my own ignorance about the U.S. federal budget and our tax system, I recently spent twelve hours researching a variety of tax topics. From my research came two articles: last week’s short guide to the federal budget and today’s post, which answers some of my personal questions about taxes.

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Welcome to the “tax wars”, by the time we’re finished with you, you too will be a raving loon!

Tactically, you can’t figure out how much “tax” you pay. We need to recognize that ONLY real people pay tax. So, the taxes that companies pay is really a hidden tax on the people who buy their products. BUT you can’t see it. Further, if there are capital goods used by a company, the taxes on that capital good are buried in the product’s price. Also, recognize that “costs”, “user fees”, or any unavoidable expense imposed by or as a result of the gooferment’s actions, laws, regulations, or diktats is a TAX! Try and figure out all of those. Good luck. One quick example, drugs. The FDA has rules, pharmacies have regulations, doctors have laws. Argh! It’s IMPOSSIBLE to figure out exactly what you pay in tax. And, then we can talk about monetary inflation as a gooferment tax. When you sum it all up, it might be greater than your annual income!

Strategically, taxes are NOT “the cost of living in civilized society”; they are THEFT. How does what dead old white guys did 233 years ago obligate me? It’s a principle of contract law that there has to be offer and acceptance to have a contract. Where is the offer? Where is my acceptance? What obligates me to pay? The definition of citizen states there is an exchange for the state’s “protection”, yet the courts have repeatedly held that there is no specific enforceable duty of the government to protect me. So why again do I have to pay for “services” that I don’t want, can’t use, and are horribly overpriced? In the case of Federal Abortion funding, it’s also morally offensive to me; yet, I still must pay.

Welcome to the tax wars. This is theft by deception. IMHO!

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POLITICS: Obama’s inflation will break the country

Obama’s Plan For A Debt-Ridden Future
By ERNEST S. CHRISTIAN AND GARY A. ROBBINS | Posted Friday, June 05, 2009 4:20 PM PT

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In effect, American families would over time lose an amount greater than an entire year of GDP — a blow far more severe than the damage being done to them by the current recession.

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Between debt and unfunded liabilities, we are falling further and further behind. Sad to say, we can’t even guess how much we pay in taxes. The politicians have succeeded in hiding and burying taxes in every conceivable manner.

When Obama’s inflation starts, it’ll be too late to react.

Gold! The ancient store of value.

There’s a reason that Jefferson and Jackson were against “central banks” like the Federal Reserve Bank and paper money. Those allow politicians and bureaucrats to hide the true cost of their evil deals.

Imagine how they’d be on the hook, if they could NOT silent tax every dollar in the world with inflation?

Like withholding and corporate taxes, everything gets hidden from view.

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MONEY: If You Care About the Uninsured

If You Care About the Uninsured, Please Drink Budweiser. Or Schlitz. Or Coors. Or Hamm’s. It Doesn’t Really Matter What Beer You Drink, Only That You Drink a Highly Taxed Beer. And If You Really Care About The Uninsured, Why Not Drink a Case of Beer?

Nick Gillespie | May 21, 2009, 7:21am

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Is it too late to take it all back, this loose talk about legalizing “vices” and then taxing them?

Some details on a “proposed beer tax” currently working its way through Congress like a kidney stone through Ted Kennedy’s man-parts. It’s all over but the shouting, screaming, and gnashing of teeth:

   Consumers in the United States may have to hand over nearly $2 more for a case of beer to help provide health insurance for all.

   Details of the proposed beer tax are described in a Senate Finance Committee document that will be used to brief lawmakers Wednesday at a closed-door meeting.

   Taxes on wine and hard liquor would also go up. And there might be a new tax on soda and other sugary drinks blamed for contributing to obesity. No taxes on diet drinks, however.

   Beer taxes would go up by 48 cents a six-pack, wine taxes would rise by 49 cents per bottle, and the tax on hard liquor would increase by 40 cents per fifth. Proceeds from the new taxes would help cover an estimated 50 million uninsured Americans.

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And, of course, there won’t be any discussion of:

(1) Why do beer drinkers have to pay for the “uninsured”?

(2) Who is in the 50M “uninsured”? (Young people, people who could afford insurance, illegal aliens, UAW pensioners)

(3) Why is the government in the health insurance business in the first place?


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MONEY: Inflation is a hidden tax

Friday, May 8, 2009


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This is a backdoor tax because a tax was not passed. You did not have money stolen out of your paycheck and didn’t write them a check but they in effect reached into your wallet and bank accounts and via a loss purchasing power you were essentially taxed.

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Insidious backdoor taxation. Coming to you very soon!

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RANT: Too many drones; not enough workers

April 10, 2009
Representation without Taxation
By Alan Aronoff

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When beneficiaries of government policy do not sufficiently overlap the payers of those benefits, we have a governing system of representation without taxation. This type of system is not sustainable long term, but history suggests it may persist for some time under the pretext of ‘economic justice’ unless soundly rejected by the American people.

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That’s the result of “progressive” taxation aka “soak the rich”.

The only fair tax is to make it voluntary. If the gooferment provides a service, then it should “tin cup” for donations.

At the very least, if EVERYONE had to pay a 1% tariff on imported goods. That would be “fair”.

As I proposed in page 616 of my book “CHURCH 10●19●62” (, a simple modest tariff collection mechanism would require little enforcement:

“Because the Government didn’t want to have a lot of checkers, the value is declared at the border. The tariff is two MILs per 10 ounces of value. The importer declares the value and pays the tariff. To ensure honesty, under estimation triggers a 100% penalty. So because the rate is so low and the penalty so high, importers typically add a zero to the end of the value number. For example, a truck valued of one thousand ounces would be assessed a tax of two ounces. So an importer, to be sure of compliance, would call it ten thousand ounces and pay a tax of twenty ounces. Not very fair, but very easy to administrate.”

We have reached the point where the “takers” outnumber the “producers”. We’ll we now see the diminished incentives lead to decreased productivity. Eventually it winds up that we look like a Communist country where the underground economy and “just getting by” becomes the national ethic.

Where are the pitchfork and torches?

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POLITICAL: Tax increases in a recession?

Obama’s First Budget Seeks To Trim Deficit
Plan Would Cut War Spending, Increase Taxes on the Wealthy
By Lori Montgomery and Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, February 22, 2009; A01

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President Obama is putting the finishing touches on an ambitious first budget that seeks to cut the federal deficit in half over the next four years, primarily by raising taxes on businesses and the wealthy and by slashing spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, administration officials said.

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Companies don’t pay taxes; people do. So raising the corporate tax is essentially a tax increase for everyone; poor included.

Rich folks have the ability to defer income and shit it and even “coast”. Watch how revenues “fail to appear”!


Ignores the lessons of Kennedy and Regan.

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RANT: Tax revolt?


Bill Buran’s Notes

Complete hypocrisy by the Democrates on Taxes
Yesterday at 8:03pm

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Now I am against all form of income taxes and certainly try to limit my exposure, but I still unwillingly pay…more and more each year.

Yet…when a Democrat going for higher office knowingly does not pay taxes while insisting we all need to pay more to “spread the wealth”…I guess just not his wealth.

This angers me more each day and gives more reason to vote them all out…to be fair this goes for all in Congress and the Senate.

If a Democrat evades paying taxes that must paint a bigger picture of this insane overburden tax system.

So when do we all just say NO and stop giving our fruits of labor (private property) to a dysfunctional government.

Tax Revolt anyone????…..seriously!

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It’s actually worse than anyone thinks. Inflation is the hidden tax on all of us. Taxes, via corporations, are hidden in all we buy. Some taxes, like gas, and “fees”, like real estate closing taxes or car excise taxes, are added onto the purchase prices and become invisible to the buyer. And, the only indicator of the total tax load is the total gooferment spend. See tax reduction without spending reduction is an illusion. Inflation, debt, regulation, and “fees” are the “evil stepsisters” of the taxes we pay. We can’t even fathom how much we pay in taxes. It’s theft by deception!

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RANT: We have an “economic illiterate” as US Senator!

November 04, 2008

How stupid is Senator Menendez?

Larrey Anderson

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Either he is stupid or he is intentionally confusing the difference between the income tax and capital gains taxes.

Watch this interview of Senator Robert Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, by Neil Cavuto on FOX news.

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Well, we have Lautenberg too.

<Just shaking my head!>

I don’t think we have ANYTHING to worry about. There won’t be any tax cuts period.

Then sheeple have been fooled again.

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POTUS08: FLASH! Obama calls me “selfish”!

Political Punch
Power, pop, and probings from ABC News Senior National Correspondent Jake Tapper
October 31, 2008 10:58 AM

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“John McCain and Sarah Palin they call this socialistic,” Obama continued. “You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness.”

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Well, that tears it! It’s all out in the open now. His stealth campaign is unmasked.

Think it’s just big gooferment; you’re selfish.

<shaking my head at the hubris of the socialists>


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POLITICAL: Time to take on gooferment pensions?

Especially here in New Jersey, it appears to be time to take on the issue of “Government Pensions”. Pity the poor taxpayer, they may not have a pension, but the politicians and bureaucrat certainly have the best possible pensions at our collective expense.

First, the politicians and bureaucrats work the system to maximize the amount they steal. Pure and simple, it’s theft. We have trial going on of a NJ Political Powerbroker Legislator where he collected ‘no show’ jobs to pad his pension. Of course, the pension administrators say basically “nothing wrong with that!” What a fraud on the people.

Take note that gooferment pensions allow “retirement” after 20 or 30 years; as opposed to the 30-40 years one USED to find in private industry.

I have to laugh because: (1) Not only had NJ not made its proper contribution in many years. (Wonder why the Feds haven’t brought it before a Grand Jury? If a private business did this, the executives would be in jail. Guess the big gang in dc has a reciprocity agreement with the gang in Trenton?) (2) The Guv has decided to “raid” the pensions to “invest” in community banks. (This was humorous because whoever had the “fiduciary” duty to manage these funds was screwed. They should be worried only about protecting the pensioners; not making the Guv look good!)

There is no guaranty that these gooferment pensions won’t be “reformed” in the future.

The gooferment made the assertion that to compete for the talent in the marketplace they needed to offer pensions. Now that industry has left pensions for other programs, they don’t want to follow that trend.

We need to force the gooferment to convert pensions to 401k!


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POLITICAL: Corporations don’t pay taxes; people do. Zero the Corporate Tax Rate!

First Presidential Debate Fact Check: Obama and McCain’s Economic Claims
Written by DR | Bookmarks: Reddit this,

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The first 2008 Presidential Debate saw both Senators Obama and McCain defend their economic proposals and attack the other’s plan. Facts, figures and statistics were flying back in forth during the exchange so fast it was difficult to keep up. So after the debate I watched the replay and read the transcript to pick out the economic claims made by both Presidential candidates. In this article, we’ll look at their claims to determine whether they are rock solid true (earning a score of 1), true but with a lot of spin (earning a score 2) or flat out, nose-growing false (earning a score of 3).

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Excellent job on fact checking. Calm and reasoned. Apparently fair.

I have no “dog” in this fight. I’m a little L libertarian. Don’t care much for either candidate.

I would like to comment on “Corporate Income Tax”.

It’s a sham designed to deceive the folks as to what is the overall level of taxation that Americans pay.


As a “frugal” site, I read often, I think you’d hammer this home.

Corporations are very much like a zero sum game. If they have a cost, they pass it along to the person who buys their product or services. If it’s a widget with a pound of steel in it, your paying for that pound. Price of steel goes up, the corporation marks up the price of their product. Simple enough. If they didn’t they’d go broke.

When the gooferment imposes taxes on Corporations, that’s just another cost that the business pass along to you. EXCEPT now you can’t see it. You don’t know what portion of the cost of a loaf of bread is taxes and what portion is bread.

It gets worse, regulations and laws add costs. They come to you hidden in the cost of the products.

It gets even worse, when the gooferment taxes a product that corporations use to make or deliver other products (e.g., gasoline), that tax is a tax on taxes. And is passed along and even buried further. It has an exponential effect!

I’ve seen estimates that the real tax percentage in products is HUGE! 50 to 75%!! I don’t think anyone can tell. AND that’s excatly the politicians purpose.

Bottom line: Corporate taxes imho should be ZERO!

Let’s put the cost of gooferment squarely out in the open! These bozos are no fools. There’s a reason that Tax Day is a half a year away from election day. That reason is that they couldn’t get it any further away.

So, when either candidate talks about corporate taxes, regulation, and fees, I think they are, possibly unknowingly (But I don’t beleive that) DEFRAUDING us from know the true cost of how badly we are being ROBBED!

sigh, imho,
wake up sheeple,

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POLITICS: Debate reaction. Who cares what big gooferment wants!

I too listened to the debate. Who cares! Both are big gooferment interventionists. Neither understand that the ‘crisis’ is created by the gooferment — both sides have their hands int he mess up to their elbows. The D’s created Fannie and Freddie; they tax and spend. The R’s are not much better — they promised smaller and delivered bigger; they borrow and spend. Neither of them nderstand the problem starts with gooferment and ends there. The gooferment creates the problem and then rescues us from it. A plague on both their houses.

Only freedom and liberty can prevail in the long run. Force begets force. If I can’t convince you that something is a good idea, then maybe it isn’t. I have to be humble enough to accept that.

I won’t, can’t, force you to do what you don’t wnat to do. I’d like you to do the same for me. So take your government off my neck, please!

I don’t want to buy 80% of AIG. I’d like my tax money that was stolen back. I don’t want to pay for all the things you think are “good for me”. Let me keep my money and spend it on what I think is good for me. If I make mistakes, so be it. They are MY mistakes. Please don’t inflict YOUR mistakes on me.

Take a look at the little flash movie at becasue it says it better than I can.

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