SECESSION: Time of the USA to back “self-determination” for the Kurds, Catalonians, and anyone who wants it bad enough

Sunday, November 12, 2017

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/31/israel-given-birth-thanks-to-international-efforts/

The 100-year-old promise
The international community enabled the birth of Israel
By Clifford D. May – – Tuesday, October 31, 2017 

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Also too often forgotten or ignored is the fact that it was thanks to Britain and the other Allied Powers that Arab nation-states rose from the Ottoman ashes. Among them: Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and Yemen.

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Say what you want, but the “international community” didn’t give Israel anything. Other than the right to fight for their “homeland”. 

So to, anyone, who wants freedom enough to die for it, “deserves” to have it regardless of anyone else’s “opinion”.

Seems that instead of the USA’s failed policy of “nation building”, it should shift of a Swiss like “recognition” of reality. Regardless of who’s “ox” gets gored, it’s in the USA’s national interest to be at peace. Calming the fires of nationalistic fervor would seem to be a good start.

To all those who want “freedom”, I’d urge caution — be careful what you ask for, you might get it. And, as we’ve seen in many cases, “freedom” and “democracy” often morph uncontrollably in socialism, communism, and other forms of dictatorships.

Dona Nobis Pacem

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SECESSION: Breaking into 3 to frustrate Cal-Exit?

Monday, October 30, 2017

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/california-clears-first-hurdle-to-breaking-into-three-states/article/2638928

California clears first hurdle to breaking into three states
by Anna Giaritelli | Oct 29, 2017, 1:45 PM  

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The plan proposes making the area including and north of San Francisco into one state, a coastal region extending south to Los Angeles another state, and everywhere south and east of those a third state.

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Why would “we” give California more clout in the Senate now?

Just let them go their way in peace.

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SECESSION: Support for Secession?

Friday, September 29, 2017

2017-Sep-29

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/09/kirkpatrick-sale/new-poll-on-americans-support-for-secession/

New Poll on Americans’ Support for Secession
By Kirkpatrick Sale September 20, 2017

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In the final analysis, this is a global issue that has gained traction in the last few years. From Scotland and Catalan, to Venice, France, the UK, and now loud calls can even be heard in California and Texas. The ghosts of Lincoln, (“I must save the Union”) and Jefferson (“A rebellion is necessary every generation”) appear to be roaming the American landscape as a sizeable portion of the public are sympathetic to the cause of Independence from D.C.

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One can only hope!

Clearly the “coastal” states violently disagree with the “heartland” states. Like the War of Northern Aggression, why can’t States leave.

Federalism has been destroyed by the all-powerful Federal Gooferment. The repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment was the nail in the coffin for States to prevent unfunded liabilities.

Just like the Federal Reserve gives the Feds an unlimited “checkbook”, the States have no power to frustrate the loss of their inherent Constitutional power.

Argh!

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SECESSION: If 9/11 can’t change the interventional foreign, then maybe secession is the peaceful way out?

Sunday, September 11, 2016

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/09/kirkpatrick-sale/president-hillary-2/

The Great Divide—and Secession?
By Kirkpatrick Sale
September 9, 2016

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Yes, it is true that once there was a war fought to stop secession, but that was because the richest part of the country was the one that voted to secede, and that would have meant a great loss of the duties and tariffs the rest of the country had come to depend on.  So the threatened part had to go to war against the richest part to prevent that loss, with the full backing of the party of its industrialists, bankers, and railroadmen.

But those conditions no longer obtain.  If Texas seceded it would not seriously endanger the wealth of the rest of the country, though there would need to be a resetting of certain trade and ownership relations.  And it would be a wonderful trading partner—it would rank 12th in the world in total GDP and its GDP per capita would put it in the top 10, and 12 per cent higher than the remaining United States.  Of course, its defense industry might be hit hard if the U.S. didn’t want to support it any longer, and Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Bell Helicopter and the rest might lose contracts, but an independent Texas would surely be happy to build up its own defenses and be an immediate replacement for lost work.

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Unfortunately, … …

… … our foreign policy sucks. And, there doesn’t seem to be any way to get it changed. 

So maybe we need to change the system. 

Secession of one or more states, or groups of states, would give an obvious reason for a real “reset”. 

Dump all these terrible “agreements” and become like the Swiss who do MYOB so well.

Dona Nobis Pacem

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SECESSION: An idea who’s time has come

Tuesday, April 19, 2016

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/jack-perry/end-not-near/

The End is Not Near, It has Begun
By Jack Perry
April 15, 2016

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People have this idea that the United States must remain united. Why? Many regions have different interests. Like a relationship that went sour, this federal government thing was nice when times were good, but we need to move on. We need to see other people, or rather, see different flags flying above our state capitols. We’re different people now. That’s not a bad thing, it just means we need to stop trying to pound every square and triangular peg into the round hole. The federal government cannot administer this entire country anymore. Look at Detroit. Look at the blighted areas of every major city. Not to mention the aggressive nature of the federal government in terms of cataclysmic wars it starts all over the planet.

Soon, it will become apparent all over America that the future for them looks like Detroit. Detroit was the first sign of the terminal illness that will fill the federal government. In time, regions will learn they need to break away for their own survival. Political ideology will not sell people on secession. But half the supermarkets empty and the other half on fire will. 

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It happened to the USSR. And, it will happen to the USA.

The current 18T+ national debt and the guesstimated 200T+ in unfunded liabilities that our posterity will have to deal with will assure it’s demise.

If “We, The Sheeple” were smart — but then they wouldn’t be sheeple — they’d be hold the Gooferment politicians and bureaucrats feet to the fire. Spend less; do less. More freedom; less laws, regulations, and diktats.

End the “(pseudo) War on (some) Drugs”. End the Crony Capitalism! End the overreach of the Gooferment into every facet of American life.

You made bad choices, we’re genuinely sorry, but it’s not “our” problem.

Tough love!

No more Gooferment programs that make infantile helpless human beings who think everyone owes them something.

Life is tough. It’s even tougher when you depend on the Gooferment!

Argh!

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SECESSION: NY towns want to move to PA

Sunday, March 15, 2015

http://nhindependence.org/video-southern-tier-towns-looking-to-cut-ny-ties/

Southern Tier towns looking to cut NY ties
Posted on Mar 6, 2015

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The local economy is pushing one organization in Upstate New York to pose a question: Is it possible to secede to Pennsylvania?The Upstate New York Towns Association is researching this very topic. The group says a few factors pushing its research are high property taxes, low sales tax revenue and the recent decision to ban hydraulic fracturing in New York.“The Southern Tier is desolate,” said Conklin Town Supervisor Jim Finch (R). “We have no jobs and no income. The richest resource we have is in the ground.”Finch said the ground in Conklin is rich with natural gas in the Marcellus Shale. However, that shale is unable to be tapped. He described this ban as a violation of his natural rights as a property owner.

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This is a good sign.

Vote with your feet if you can.

Vote to secede if you can’t.

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SECESSION: Scotland screwed up

Wednesday, September 24, 2014

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/19/us-usa-secession-exclusive-idUSKBN0HE19U20140919

Exclusive: Angry with Washington, 1 in 4 Americans open to secession
By Scott Malone
BOSTON Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:41am EDT 

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(Reuters) – The failed Scottish vote to pull out from the United Kingdom stirred secessionist hopes for some in the United States, where almost a quarter of people are open to their states leaving the union, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll found.

Some 23.9 percent of Americans polled from Aug. 23 through Sept. 16 said they strongly supported or tended to support the idea of their state breaking away, while 53.3 percent of the 8,952 respondents strongly opposed or tended to oppose the notion.

The urge to sever ties with Washington cuts across party lines and regions, though Republicans and residents of rural Western states are generally warmer to the idea than Democrats and Northeasterners, according to the poll.

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Interesting.

Haven’t seen any analysis of why the vote failed.

Just from casual browsing, the “secessionists” didn’t have a plan or reasonable answers.

For example, just what I read and thought of:

* Money

No one addressed what currency they would use. The secessionists could have just said “free market” (e.g., USD$, Euro, UK pound, gold / silver). Imagine the vigor of the market that would evolve. If they adopted an “honest money”, imagine that they could displace the Swiss as the “store of value”.

* Defense

They could have said we’ll be like the Swiss. MYOB. Not much offensive “defense” needed.

* Debt

They could have offered to take a per capita share of the UK debt with them.

Did I miss anything?

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