SECESSION: Is it reasonable that 320M+ people are ruled from one city?

2019-Apr-01

https://youtu.be/IXOEdvfMeIY

Secession: The Reasonable Option Everyone Resists | Tom Woods
Published on Jan 30, 2015

The growing number of secession movements around the world gives rise to our topic: breaking away from current government structures that do so much harm to liberty, peace, and prosperity. Recorded at “Breaking Away: The Case for Secession”—the Mises Circle in Houston, Texas, on 24 January 2015.

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Is it reasonable that 320M+ people are ruled from one city and handful of “elite” politicians and bureaucrats?

I think not. 

The USA needs to devolve back to the “United States of America”.

“If this be treason, make the most of it.” — Patrick Henry “Virginia Resolves” May 30, 1765

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SECESSION: I don’t believe that 350M people should be ruled bt the “District of Corruption”

https://tomwoods.com/i-gave-this-washington-post-reporter-an-earful/?omhide=true

I Gave This Washington Post Reporter an Earful
12th April 2018 — Tom Woods

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Blast from the past:

One of my favorite speeches ever was the one I gave in Houston, on secession, during the last presidential campaign.

The Mises Institute hosted a one-day event on secession. Ron Paul and I were among the speakers. The Washington Post sent a reporter, for the obvious purpose of reporting on Ron’s remarks as a way of embarrassing then-candidate Rand Paul.

Now you’d think secession would be a question we could discuss rationally, the way we discuss anything else. The American Union is obviously just a utilitarian arrangement, to be judged by how well it works, and not sacred and unchangeable. (Why on Earth would it be? Does the Union exist for the people, or the people for the Union?)

Of course, we’re not allowed to have this conversation. Why, neither Mitt Romney nor Barack Obama thinks it’s a reasonable question, so that does it, citizen!

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Why can’t we dissolve the Union?

Allow CA to do a @calexit. And, everyone else that wants out to get free.

Worked for the USSR.

Argh!

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SECESSION: California can just refuse to cooperate; de facto secession

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-07/sessions-reminds-california-theres-no-secession-no-nullification

Sessions Reminds California: “There’s No Secession, No Nullification”
by Tyler Durden
Wed, 03/07/2018 – 14:13

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Yesterday, we pointed out that Attorney General Jeff Sessions has finally acted to stop California from ignoring federal immigration authorities and laws, with the DOJ suing the state to nullify Assembly Bill 450, which stops private companies from voluntarily cooperating with federal immigration authorities.

And shortly after the suit was filed, Sessions warned chided the state for disobeying federal laws, saying American law provides no room for secession or nullification, per the Hill

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Isn’t there a quote about “State Officials” and non-cooperation?

Sounds like something Ghandi would say.

In any event, the State of California doesn’t have to aid the Federal Government in enforcing Federal “laws”.

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SECESSION: ​Time to spinoff “states”?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/think-california-politics-is-on-the-far-left-fringe-just-wait-for-the-next-elections/2018/02/04/80e679c2-05e5-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.3fdd8b834ee2

Think California politics is on the far-left fringe? Just wait for the next elections. – The Washington Post

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​Time to spinoff “states”? My personal “bye bye” list (in alpha order): AK, CA, HI, MA, MD, ND, NH, NY/NJ, SC, TX, and VT. Goes without saying that​ PR and all the other “possessions” should be set free.

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SECESSION: Is there an automatic right to secession?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/4/jeff-sessions-ramp-federal-enforcement-marijuana-l/

Billion-dollar pot industry is dazed and confused by Justice Department’s reversal
By Jeff Mordock – The Washington Times – Thursday, January 4, 2018

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Attorney General Jeff Sessions moved Thursday to revoke the Obama-era see-no-evil policy on federal enforcement of marijuana laws, announcing that federal law enforcement will no longer look the other way even in states that have legalized use of the drug.

The decision doesn’t change the state policies, but it does give U.S. attorneys the freedom to decide how strongly to enforce federal law that classifies marijuana as an illegal substance.

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Does this give California a clear reason to leave “These United States of America”?

While everyone would like to think that “secession” was “settled” by the War Of Northern Aggression, it wasn’t. Like the demise of the Soviet Union, it really doesn’t matter what the “central authority” wants. Collapse occurs.

There is an internationally recognized to “self-determination”. Does that de facto entail an automatic right to secession?

Certainly seems to, to me.

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SECESSION: Time of the USA to back “self-determination” for the Kurds, Catalonians, and anyone who wants it bad enough

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/31/israel-given-birth-thanks-to-international-efforts/

The 100-year-old promise
The international community enabled the birth of Israel
By Clifford D. May – – Tuesday, October 31, 2017 

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Also too often forgotten or ignored is the fact that it was thanks to Britain and the other Allied Powers that Arab nation-states rose from the Ottoman ashes. Among them: Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and Yemen.

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Say what you want, but the “international community” didn’t give Israel anything. Other than the right to fight for their “homeland”. 

So to, anyone, who wants freedom enough to die for it, “deserves” to have it regardless of anyone else’s “opinion”.

Seems that instead of the USA’s failed policy of “nation building”, it should shift of a Swiss like “recognition” of reality. Regardless of who’s “ox” gets gored, it’s in the USA’s national interest to be at peace. Calming the fires of nationalistic fervor would seem to be a good start.

To all those who want “freedom”, I’d urge caution — be careful what you ask for, you might get it. And, as we’ve seen in many cases, “freedom” and “democracy” often morph uncontrollably in socialism, communism, and other forms of dictatorships.

Dona Nobis Pacem

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SECESSION: Breaking into 3 to frustrate Cal-Exit?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/california-clears-first-hurdle-to-breaking-into-three-states/article/2638928

California clears first hurdle to breaking into three states
by Anna Giaritelli | Oct 29, 2017, 1:45 PM  

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The plan proposes making the area including and north of San Francisco into one state, a coastal region extending south to Los Angeles another state, and everywhere south and east of those a third state.

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Why would “we” give California more clout in the Senate now?

Just let them go their way in peace.

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SECESSION: Support for Secession?

2017-Sep-29

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/09/kirkpatrick-sale/new-poll-on-americans-support-for-secession/

New Poll on Americans’ Support for Secession
By Kirkpatrick Sale September 20, 2017

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In the final analysis, this is a global issue that has gained traction in the last few years. From Scotland and Catalan, to Venice, France, the UK, and now loud calls can even be heard in California and Texas. The ghosts of Lincoln, (“I must save the Union”) and Jefferson (“A rebellion is necessary every generation”) appear to be roaming the American landscape as a sizeable portion of the public are sympathetic to the cause of Independence from D.C.

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One can only hope!

Clearly the “coastal” states violently disagree with the “heartland” states. Like the War of Northern Aggression, why can’t States leave.

Federalism has been destroyed by the all-powerful Federal Gooferment. The repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment was the nail in the coffin for States to prevent unfunded liabilities.

Just like the Federal Reserve gives the Feds an unlimited “checkbook”, the States have no power to frustrate the loss of their inherent Constitutional power.

Argh!

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SECESSION: If 9/11 can’t change the interventional foreign, then maybe secession is the peaceful way out?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/09/kirkpatrick-sale/president-hillary-2/

The Great Divide—and Secession?
By Kirkpatrick Sale
September 9, 2016

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Yes, it is true that once there was a war fought to stop secession, but that was because the richest part of the country was the one that voted to secede, and that would have meant a great loss of the duties and tariffs the rest of the country had come to depend on.  So the threatened part had to go to war against the richest part to prevent that loss, with the full backing of the party of its industrialists, bankers, and railroadmen.

But those conditions no longer obtain.  If Texas seceded it would not seriously endanger the wealth of the rest of the country, though there would need to be a resetting of certain trade and ownership relations.  And it would be a wonderful trading partner—it would rank 12th in the world in total GDP and its GDP per capita would put it in the top 10, and 12 per cent higher than the remaining United States.  Of course, its defense industry might be hit hard if the U.S. didn’t want to support it any longer, and Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Bell Helicopter and the rest might lose contracts, but an independent Texas would surely be happy to build up its own defenses and be an immediate replacement for lost work.

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Unfortunately, … …

… … our foreign policy sucks. And, there doesn’t seem to be any way to get it changed. 

So maybe we need to change the system. 

Secession of one or more states, or groups of states, would give an obvious reason for a real “reset”. 

Dump all these terrible “agreements” and become like the Swiss who do MYOB so well.

Dona Nobis Pacem

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SECESSION: An idea who’s time has come

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/jack-perry/end-not-near/

The End is Not Near, It has Begun
By Jack Perry
April 15, 2016

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People have this idea that the United States must remain united. Why? Many regions have different interests. Like a relationship that went sour, this federal government thing was nice when times were good, but we need to move on. We need to see other people, or rather, see different flags flying above our state capitols. We’re different people now. That’s not a bad thing, it just means we need to stop trying to pound every square and triangular peg into the round hole. The federal government cannot administer this entire country anymore. Look at Detroit. Look at the blighted areas of every major city. Not to mention the aggressive nature of the federal government in terms of cataclysmic wars it starts all over the planet.

Soon, it will become apparent all over America that the future for them looks like Detroit. Detroit was the first sign of the terminal illness that will fill the federal government. In time, regions will learn they need to break away for their own survival. Political ideology will not sell people on secession. But half the supermarkets empty and the other half on fire will. 

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It happened to the USSR. And, it will happen to the USA.

The current 18T+ national debt and the guesstimated 200T+ in unfunded liabilities that our posterity will have to deal with will assure it’s demise.

If “We, The Sheeple” were smart — but then they wouldn’t be sheeple — they’d be hold the Gooferment politicians and bureaucrats feet to the fire. Spend less; do less. More freedom; less laws, regulations, and diktats.

End the “(pseudo) War on (some) Drugs”. End the Crony Capitalism! End the overreach of the Gooferment into every facet of American life.

You made bad choices, we’re genuinely sorry, but it’s not “our” problem.

Tough love!

No more Gooferment programs that make infantile helpless human beings who think everyone owes them something.

Life is tough. It’s even tougher when you depend on the Gooferment!

Argh!

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SECESSION: NY towns want to move to PA

http://nhindependence.org/video-southern-tier-towns-looking-to-cut-ny-ties/

Southern Tier towns looking to cut NY ties
Posted on Mar 6, 2015

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The local economy is pushing one organization in Upstate New York to pose a question: Is it possible to secede to Pennsylvania?The Upstate New York Towns Association is researching this very topic. The group says a few factors pushing its research are high property taxes, low sales tax revenue and the recent decision to ban hydraulic fracturing in New York.“The Southern Tier is desolate,” said Conklin Town Supervisor Jim Finch (R). “We have no jobs and no income. The richest resource we have is in the ground.”Finch said the ground in Conklin is rich with natural gas in the Marcellus Shale. However, that shale is unable to be tapped. He described this ban as a violation of his natural rights as a property owner.

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This is a good sign.

Vote with your feet if you can.

Vote to secede if you can’t.

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SECESSION: Scotland screwed up

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/19/us-usa-secession-exclusive-idUSKBN0HE19U20140919

Exclusive: Angry with Washington, 1 in 4 Americans open to secession
By Scott Malone
BOSTON Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:41am EDT 

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(Reuters) – The failed Scottish vote to pull out from the United Kingdom stirred secessionist hopes for some in the United States, where almost a quarter of people are open to their states leaving the union, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll found.

Some 23.9 percent of Americans polled from Aug. 23 through Sept. 16 said they strongly supported or tended to support the idea of their state breaking away, while 53.3 percent of the 8,952 respondents strongly opposed or tended to oppose the notion.

The urge to sever ties with Washington cuts across party lines and regions, though Republicans and residents of rural Western states are generally warmer to the idea than Democrats and Northeasterners, according to the poll.

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Interesting.

Haven’t seen any analysis of why the vote failed.

Just from casual browsing, the “secessionists” didn’t have a plan or reasonable answers.

For example, just what I read and thought of:

* Money

No one addressed what currency they would use. The secessionists could have just said “free market” (e.g., USD$, Euro, UK pound, gold / silver). Imagine the vigor of the market that would evolve. If they adopted an “honest money”, imagine that they could displace the Swiss as the “store of value”.

* Defense

They could have said we’ll be like the Swiss. MYOB. Not much offensive “defense” needed.

* Debt

They could have offered to take a per capita share of the UK debt with them.

Did I miss anything?

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SECESSION: Passive resistance to withdraw consent

http://www.garynorth.com/public/12381.cfm

Will Facebook Bring Down the Government?
Gary North – April 26, 2014

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PASSIVE RESISTANCE

Passive resistance will bring down any institution. This was the insight of Saul Alinsky a generation ago, and it was the insight of Mohandas Gandhi in the 1920’s and 1930’s. When people withdraw their support from an institution, because they believe that the institution is no longer trustworthy, that institution’s days are numbered.

People will cooperate for a lot of reasons. They don’t want trouble. They don’t want to be singled out for prosecution by some federal agency. They don’t know the limits of the law. They just want to go about their daily affairs, and they are willing to remain in habitual patterns of behavior in order to avoid trouble. But decision-makers in the federal government should not expect this cooperation to continue when the going gets tough. When external events are disrupting the lives of large numbers of people, their habits will change. If they see an advantage in breaking the rules, they are going to start breaking the rules. They will not be restrained by a sense of conscience, precisely because they no longer believe that the federal government is operating on the basis of morality.

This sharp decline in trust has not been triggered by a particular event. In other words, the federal government cannot reverse this decline by changing its position on any particular piece of objectionable legislation or enforcement. The decline appears to be the result of nothing in particular. The government now has to hope that this decline in trust will be reversed by nothing in particular. If it cannot be reversed, then the government’s ability to use coercion to gain specific public responses is going to decline. Too many people will not cooperate.

We do not see any major change in policy in Congress. We do not see any particular branch of government encountering anything resembling organized resistance. But trust is rapidly disappearing. Public critics of the government do not appear to be the source of this decline, because there is no single issue that has triggered this decline. It is not clear what cause-and-effect is.

This is good news for the critics of the federal government, and it is bad news for Congress.

These poll results indicate that people are in a default mode of distrust, yet they are also in default mode of obedience. This discrepancy cannot continue indefinitely. Either obedience is going to be withdrawn, or else some degree of trust is going to be restored.

Erosion of obedience will follow the erosion of trust. This will make things even tougher on bureaucrats. They will not gain the implicit subsidy involved in all voluntary compliance.

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And when the taxpayers “revolt” that’s when it will hit the fan.

When those “pulling the wagon” realize there are too many “free riding in the wagon”, the scam stops.

When gold and silver becomes money again, then that’s the end of the current political class.

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SECESSION: Laugh, ridicule, and shun

http://ericpetersautos.com/2013/03/15/fixing-their-wagon/

Fixing Their Wagon
March 15, 2013

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Shun them.

The model for this is easy enough to understand. If the person who owned the house down the road from you was known to be a child sex offender, would you invite him to your summer barbecues? Would you contract with his business to perform work? Would you shake his hand when you bumped into him at the store? You probably – hopefully – would not.

Apply the same treatment to the people who insist on living by doing violence to others. For they are exactly like child molesters in the sense that matters: They victimize people. They manipulate and coerce and threaten. They leverage power – force and its threat – to get what they want. It is only because we’ve been conditioned to accept the unacceptable via euphemism and evasion that we tolerate such people among us. Those reading this column no doubt do not accept it. Hence, they ought not to tolerate it. There may be occasions when we are forced to deal with them. But wherever possible, wherever we have the choice, we ought to elect not to deal with them. And we ought to tell them exactly why we want nothing to do with them. Call them on it. Do not let it – their reliance on violence – go unmentioned. Mention it. Bring it into the open. Make them squirm – those that still have the vestigial capacity to squirm when confronted with their own ethical atrocities. But never, ever, accept them as members of civilized society. Because civilization is dying on account of them.

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Sounds like a great strategy.

Laugh at them, make them absurd, and then turn the other cheek.

Secession takes many forms!

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