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FUN: USA – USSA 2032?
Sunday, May 15, 2022
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LIBERTy: Independence Day + local self-government, secession, and strict construction
Tuesday, July 4, 20172017-Jul-04
FROM TOM WOODS’ EMAIL
https://www.libertyclassroom.com/
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Independence Day is coming up, and I wonder how many people really get why it matters.
In school, we were told this: “No taxation without representation.”
Zzzzzzzz.
The real principles were more like the following.
(1) No legislation without representation.
The colonists insisted that they could be governed only by the colonial legislatures. This is the principle of self-government.
This is why a Supreme Court ordering localities around is anti-American in the truest sense. It operates according to the opposite principle from the one the American colonists stood for.
(2) Contrary to the modern Western view of the state that it must be considered one and indivisible, the colonists believed that a smaller unit may withdraw from a larger one.
(3) The colonists’ view of the (unwritten) British constitution was that Parliament could legislate only in those areas that had traditionally been within the purview of the British government. Customary practice was the test of constitutionality. The Parliament’s view, on the other hand, was in effect that the will and act of Parliament sufficed to make its measures constitutional.
So the colonists insisted on strict construction, if you will, while the British held to more of a “living, breathing” view of the Constitution. Sound familiar?
So let’s recap: local self-government, secession, and strict construction. Not exactly the themes you learned in school.
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POLITICAL: Peaceful “Secession” — an idea who’s time has come
Saturday, February 18, 2017http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2017/02/13/california-secession/
California Secession? How it Could Happen in Practice
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The following article was written by James R. Rogers and originally published on the Library of Law and Liberty website.
Rumblings of secession talk in California, as in Texas a few years back, raises the question of how, if ever, a state might secede from the Union without war.
The legal issue surrounding secession in the Civil War era concerned whether states might unilaterally secede from the Union under the Constitution. The answer, underscored by force of arms and the U.S. Supreme Court, was a definitive “no.”
That states may not unilaterally secede from the Union, however, does not mean there is no route by which a state might secede peacefully, and even legally. Indeed, the U.S. Supreme Court has said there is, albeit, saying it in dictum. In holding in Texas v. White (1869) that Texas did not truly secede from the Union, Chief Justice Chase, writing for the majority, nonetheless identified two routes by which U.S. states could peacefully secede: “There was no place for reconsideration or revocation [of Texas’s entry in the Union], except through revolution or through consent of the States.”
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Much of the commentary related to California’s budding secession movement suggests that a constitutional amendment would be necessary for the peaceful, lawful secession of a state from the union. I don’t think so. Chase’s dictum regarding the “consent of the states” does not suggest the need for constitutional amendment to authorize a state’s secession.
Rather, to implement this route for the legal secession of a state, Congress would need only to adopt enabling legislation spelling out the process by which consent of the states would be obtained. Congress could stipulate the states’ consent would be provided by some proportion of state legislatures – half of them, or two-thirds – adopting a “secession consent” resolution or something. Or Congress could authorize states to consent to a state’s request to secede through special state-level conventions or by direct vote in state-level referenda. Or perhaps Congress could provide state consent through a vote of the Senate, or a vote of the Senate and the House, or some combination of the above.
Whatever process Congress might adopt for secession need not be as onerous as the process required to adopt constitutional amendments: Adoption of enabling legislation need not require a supermajority vote in Congress (as constitutional amendments require). And, at congressional determination, the proportion of states sufficient to provide the “consent of the states” could be fewer than the three-fourths majority required to ratify constitutional amendments.
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Very interesting.
Now that the Liberal Left in California has learned what “executive power” in the “wrong hands” means, they have become interested in secession.
I’m reminded of a quote: “Would you tell me please, Mr. Howard, why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man’s rights as easily as a king can.” Mel Gibson as the character Benjamin Martin in the movie The Patriot http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0187393/quotes
We’ve seen that the Congress has become corrupt and doesn’t faithfully execute its duties by creating the new Fourth Branch of Gooferment — the REGULATORS!
So perhaps, like the old Soviet Union it’s time to dissolve the Union and let partisans go their own way in peace. If the “blue states” want reform around welfare for all — fine. If the “red states” want to reform around “traditional values”— fine. California should be allowed to go its own way in peace.
Hopefully, it would NOT be like what happened in India and Pakistan initially, but things seem peaceful now.
So too, can the RED USA and the BLUE USA live in peace together … … finally.
Dona Nobis Pacem
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GUNS: So what patriot is going to challenge it
Tuesday, January 7, 2014GOVERNMENT
‘LOOKS LIKE WEIMAR GERMANY’: THE VIRAL PHOTO OUT OF CONNECTICUT THAT’S GIVING SOME GUN OWNERS CHILLS
Dec. 31, 2013 10:32pm Jason Howerton
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While the Connecticut Citizens Defense League believes the law is unconstitutional, it has been reminding gun owners of the deadline to make sure they don’t become felons on Jan. 1.
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Registration is confiscation!
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RANT: Voting doesn’t matter; Opting out, aka secession, does
Saturday, November 17, 2012Jim Gearhardt
NJ 101.5
Jim:
I own several houses in NJ. (I’m in the process, as are many older retiring new jersey-ites, of transitioning from NJ to NH via VA. Personally I’m being driven out by the high taxes. Most notably the Inheritance Tax.) I knew when the Storms hit that the taxpayer would be paying.
Can I ask you to consider some points?
(1) Were these towns self-insuring? This may have been a decision to save money in the short-term. To spend on other priorities. Why is the taxpayer being punished for a decision that they had no input to?
(2) “No taxation without representation.” What a joke. I have a summer family property in Seaside Heights. How do I vote for lower taxes? Or about anything they decide?
(3) In the recent election, the “takers” won. People love “free” stuff. But what are they going to “take” when those that “make” stop “making”?
Sorry to sound like an old grump. I did HANJ. I did GRIP. I tea partied.
I know you say that “secession was settled by the Civil War and isn’t going to happen” is unthinkable. I would suggest individuals can secede by just not cooperating. Remember Martin Luther King and Gandhi.
“Yes. In the end, you will walk out. Because 100,000 Englishmen simply cannot control 350 million Indians, if those Indians refuse to cooperate.” — movie Gandhi (1983)
Peaceful. Non-violent. Non-cooperation.
Sound familiar?
I have enjoyed your morning rant for many years and now listen from VA via the inet. Thanks for the shore updates. Fight the good fight.
p.s., ½ the folks don’t vote and the ½ that did vote doesn’t make a mandate. And remember if voting made any difference, they would let us do it. “Democracy” is two wolves and a lamb deciding what’s for dinner. You have demonstrated to me that VOTING in NJ is meaningless.
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POLITICAL: ½ California and ½ New Jersey to freedom?
Wednesday, July 20, 2011http://dumpdc.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/meet-americas-51st-broke-state/
Meet America’s 51st (Broke) State
by Tyler Durden
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(Editor’s Note: This would actually be a story with some legs if the Southern Californians wanted to secede and actually become a new nation, separate from the USA. But mostly it’s just an amusement piece.)
It is only fitting that a few days after South Sudan became the newest independent country to join the roster of IMF and World Bank “modernization and industrialization” targets, another Southern version of something should break apart, although some may be surprised that this latest secession is not somewhere in the middle of Africa, but in America’s own insolvent back yard. Meet Southern California. “Accusing Sacramento of pillaging local governments to feed its runaway spending and left-wing policies, a Riverside County politician is proposing a solution: He wants 13 mostly inland, conservative counties to break away to form a separate state of “South California.” Supervisor Jeff Stone, a Republican pharmacist from Temecula, called California an “ungovernable” financial catastrophe from which businesses are fleeing and where taxpayers are being crushed by the burden of caring for welfare recipients and illegal immigrants.” Ah yes, the heart of prosperity that is the Inland Empire, known for such great achievements as Hell’s Angels, the most ridiculous excesses of the housing bubble, Del Taco, and… that’s pretty much it. This sounds like yet another Swiss Watch plan.
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Interesting in that maybe not only is the Federal Gooferment too big, but maybe states are too.
Staten Island wanted to come to New Jersey.
And, NJ could be broken in half. Trade North Jersey to New York for Staten Island. And, an undisclosed amount of cash.
Think of others Texas, Florida, North Carolina.
Anything that got too many people or too much land should be broken up.
As it all crumbles like the USSR, into smaller “moreresponsive to the people” units,
Secession?
One can only hope.
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POLITICAL: Sorens on Secession
Wednesday, May 11, 2011http://newmedia.ufm.edu/gsm/index.php?title=Sorenssecessioncontinuum
Secession as a Continuum
Jason Sorens
April 4, 2011 | Roatán Honduras | Duración:21 minutos
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Sorens is the architect of the Free State Project and came up with the idea that 20k Libertarians in a small state mught be all that was needed to be the “tipping point”.
Essentially, his point is that secession may not look like we are expecting it to look. That’s a modern day South Carolina – Vermont – Texas – New Hampshire with Federalies rolling tanks down Main Street.
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POLITICAL: Obscuring the reality of secession
Thursday, January 6, 2011Reliving — and denying — an ugly past
By Jeff Jacoby
Globe Columnist / January 5, 2011
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ON JAN. 16, 1861, delegates to a Georgia state convention gathered to consider whether to secede from the United States. Three days later, voting 208-89, the convention adopted an “Ordinance of Secession,’’ which “repealed, rescinded, and abrogated’’ Georgia’s ratification of the federal Constitution in 1788.
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Looking past the stupidity of a bunch of people, who feel that salt in wounds, is a great idea. I think you miss five critical points:
① Voluntary exit from the Union was debated and assurances given when it was formed. Only to be abrogated when use of the “exit door” was attempted.
② Lincoln assure his place as the “worst President” with his war on civilian populations. And, the many violations of civil liberties. And, the insistence on “preserving the Union”. It wasn’t about slavery for him; Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the areas he didn’t control.
③ A lot of smart people didn’t see that “slavery” was an economically doomed institution. Only we had to kill people to figure that out. “A brilliant man would find a way not to fight a war.” — apocryphal quote attributed to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto played by Mako in the movie ‘Pearl Harbor’
④ The structural change from “The United States of America” as a republic to the “USA” as an empire was begun with the North winning the War of Northern Aggression. No man or group of men—including any group of men calling themselves “the government”—is morally entitled to initiate (that is, to start) the use of physical force, the threat of force, or any substitute for force (such as fraud) against any other man or group of men. “The Market for Liberty” Linda & Morris Tannehill (1970)
⑤ Finally, secession is back. It is the ultimate relief from Washington DC’s corrupt oppression. The debt, deficit, and a 100 year devaluation of the currency assure that the American Empire will collapse just like the Soviet Union. The only question is which State will be the first to exit? My money is on Vermont. But Texas, Alaska, Hawaii, South Carolina, Montana, and New Hampshire are all in the running to be first out the door. And, will we, could we, have one ejection — California — with it’s impending bankruptcy?
So the SC Secession Ball begs the question will the Empire roll tanks into the first state to leave? And, what will “We, The Sheeple” do? Remember that great movie quote? “I fear all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant.” — apocryphal quote attributed to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto played by Mako in the movie ‘Pearl Harbor’
What will be the wake up call?
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INTERESTING: Quebec and Vermont, pehaps the first of many?
Sunday, August 8, 2010http://dumpdc.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/what-the-kosovo-ruling-means-for-canada-trouble/
What The Kosovo Ruling Means For Canada: Trouble!
by Milan Markovic
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The muted reaction was appropriate. International lawyers agree that last week’s decision is mostly notable for what it doesn’t do. The World Court purposely sidestepped difficult questions such as whether the declaration brought about Kosovo’s secession from Serbia and whether nations such as Canada and the United States were legally justified in recognizing an independent Kosovo. The court ruled only that declarations of independence made by separatist groups are not contrary to international law.
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What the court did find was that secessionist groups are not obligated to respect the territorial integrity of the country from which they are trying to secede. Nor are they prohibited from unilaterally declaring independence against the will of that country. What, then, is to stop Quebec’s National Assembly from declaring the province’s independence without holding a fair referendum as Quebec is supposed to do under the Clarity Act?
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The Kosovo precedent also undermines the notion that Quebec must seriously negotiate its separation from Canada. Under the administrative scheme established by the United Nations Security Council, representatives from Serbia and Kosovo were required to negotiate Kosovo’s final status. The negotiations were fruitless, leading Kosovo to declare its independence. But Kosovo’s representatives indicated from the beginning of negotiations that they would not settle for anything short of full independence and would not tolerate any partition of Kosovo’s territory. Quebec’s leaders may be tempted to take a similar line and declare Quebec’s independence if Canada refuses to acquiesce to these unfavourable terms.
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Observations and comments:
- The Gooferments of the various countries will probably back each other up with respect to “secession”. Can’t let your “sheeple” escape. Can’t let them defy the “law”. Can’t let anyone to be free. On the theory that it’s a “closed club”, those in power will seek to keep the club’s doors closed and locked. After all it’s not like Quebec, wants to join the USA. Or that Texas, Vermont, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Alaska, or others want to join Canada. It’s an “escape” to freedom. From the movie Candhi, “I beg you to accept that there is no people on Earth who would not prefer their own bad government to the good government of an alien power.” They don’t want to lose their power. Even a fraction of it.
- You only have the “rights” that you are willing to demand and fight for. So to, you can only have the “state” that you’re willing to fight for. In the case of the big gang that Gooferment represents, you’ll need help. Your neighbors have to be of like mind.
- Gandhi is the model for non-violent revolution. Unfortunately, the people he freed are not as wise as he. Few would be. They don’t have true freedom yet. There’s a lot of corruption and poverty there. But it’s their problem.
Ready for the Third American Revolution yet?
It’s coming. Just like the USSR, all empires fail. Some sooner, some later. But they all do.
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POLITICAL: Shrinking the gooferment
Saturday, February 20, 2010http://www.lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli42.1.html
What Has ‘The Union’ Ever Done for Colorado?
by Mark R. Crovelli
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Enough time has passed, and enough Coloradoan blood has been spilled on foreign soil, for Coloradoans to realize that the federal government has not, and never will, protect Colorado from foreign threats. For, the tragic history of the relationship between Coloradoans and the federal government reveals no foreign threats to Colorado except those provoked or imagined by the federal government. The historical record reveals, in other words, a federal government that is itself bathed in the blood of Coloradoans.
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You could insert ANY state in this paragraph. Including Hawaii. FDR engineered that attack.
We need to pare the Federal gooferment down to size. One way to do it is state by state.
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RANT: Fundraising? How about getting something working first!
Monday, March 16, 2009http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aBcmH5_wa8J0&refer=worldwide
Obama to Test Fundraising Skills Amid ‘Donor Fatigue,’ Crisis
By Hans Nichols and Jonathan D. Salant
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March 16 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama will headline the first fundraiser of his presidency this month, appealing to donors large and small even as the economy struggles through the worst recession in generations.
Obama’s appearance at the Democratic National Committee’s March 25 event at the Warner Theatre in Washington, with tickets ranging from $100 to $2,500 per person, will be an early test of his ability to keep up the record-breaking fundraising he achieved during the campaign.
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See it’s all about getting reelected.
Your problems don’t amount to a hill of beans!
It’s all about the parasites feeding on the taxpayers.
Argh!
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POLITICAL: Lincoln may not have approved of O, but Lincoln wasn’t so great imho
Monday, January 19, 2009http://www.mcclatchydc.com/338/story/59958.html
Pitts: Lincoln might not have welcomed Obama’s election
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Actually, Lincoln likely would have been appalled. How could he not? He was a 19th century white man who famously said in 1858 that “there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which . . . will forever forbid the two races living together upon terms of social and political equality.”
How do you reconcile that with all those cartoons of Lincoln congratulating Obama? You don’t. You simply recognize it for what it is: yet another illustration of how shallow our comprehension of history is, yet another instance where myth supersedes reality.
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Of course, Lincoln freed no slaves. That’s the myth. His Emancipation Proclamation was a military measure to demoralize and destabilize the rebellious South; it covered states he did not govern but did not apply in slaveholding states that remained under his jurisdiction.
None of which is to deny or diminish the greatness of the 16th president. His greatness stands unquestioned, unquestionable. We would be a very different nation, a lesser nation, without his political genius, his dogged faith in the unsundered Union, his refusal to accept less than Union, even when haunted by reversals and setbacks that would have broken anyone else.
No, the argument is not about Lincoln’s greatness.
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But, it should be!
Lincoln is up there on my list of “Worst American Presidents”.
As a corrupt Illinois politician who was in bed with more than the railroads, one has to take not of the following:
(1) The War of Northern Aggression. What you call the Civil War. What some call the Second American Revolution. The is no Constitutional, legal, or moral justification for this war. That alone would rocket him too the top of the list.
(2) Income tax to pay for that war. Government debt too.
(3) Freedom of Press savaged when editors dared to criticism him.
(4) Atrocities against civilian populations like Sherman’s “March to the Sea”.
(5) Single handedly destroying the concept of a Union of Equals amd morphing into the USA as the tyrant state.
And, don’t forget, he want to send all the “Negros” back to Africa. A racist among his other “endearing” qualities.
Those are just my uneducated points. There are much smarted folks than I who can give you “Chapter and Verse” about Lincoln.
But, don’t disturb the sheeple.
One of these days I should codify my “worst list”!
But that’s hard on the old BP.
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LIBERTY: Fix it before it kills us!
Monday, December 15, 2008Monday, December 8, 2008
The End of the World…Maybe
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“Commandments” is an incorrect translation; “Utterances” or “Words” is much more accurate. I prefer “Laws,” as in “Natural Laws.” If you break them, bad things automatically happen. No cops are needed. The 20th century was a time of worshipping the false idols of Man and State, in violation of the First Law (“have no other gods but the one true God”). It doesn’t matter to me if people believe in any sort of God or not; these Ten Laws still exist, and violation of their practical wisdom brings unhappiness, destruction and death. You can say, “As you sow, you reap,” or “What goes around, comes around,” or karma (“the moral law of cause and effect”) or kismet, or the Tao, or whatever name you want to give it. Those laws are part of human nature.
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And if people can’t do it, it’s doubly forbidden for governments (which in a sense don’t really exist, since they are composed of people). The big difference is that governments try to claim a monopoly on force, which makes them unimaginably destructive. I’ve read estimates that up to 200 million people died in the 20th century at the hands of various governments. And all because of the violation of “You shall not murder.”
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If I was King, I would take all the Christians and Jews who support Israel (and send money there) and deport them all over there. I would do the same with Muslims here who support the Islamic countries. As it stands right now, the US government is involved in 4,000-year-old tribal warfare, and is in fact supporting both sides in the conflict.
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Interesting.
First, the author points out timeless principles. Then, he proceeds to break them by using force on people.
I think one of those timeless principles is the “Zero Aggression Principle”. In my mind, I am moral, as admonished by most major religions or philosophies, to not initiate force on others. ZAP as the Libertarians call it.
Government — be it Kings, Presidents, or Tyrants all the same — seeks to force youto conform to its wishes. It robs Peter to enrich Paul while deducting a huge chuck for its “services”.
Sorry, sovereign individuals need no tyrants to tell them what to do. Government’s only legitimate role is to preserve the peace and ensure rights. The jury is still out if it can do that. Not very successful so far.
Maybe it’s time for a new meme to replace “government”. Examine your paradigms and memes for a replacement? I don’t have one but I’m looking.
Fix it before it kills us!
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LIBERTY: Getting rid of the Washington DC gang!
Friday, November 28, 2008http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2008/tle485-20080921-03.html
The “50 State Secession” meme is being propagated.
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US out of New Jersey, Vermont, Oregon, New Hampshire … …
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