GOLDBUG: 5k$ gold?

Tuesday, July 14, 2009

http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=38821&t=1&c=62&cg=4&mset=

Gold is ultimate store of value for a discredited dollar, says Peter Schiff
Author: BI-ME staff
Source: BI-ME
Published: Fri July 10, 2009 4:12 pm

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INTERNATIONAL. Renowned Wall Street financial forecaster and economist Peter Schiff, the president of investment firm Euro Pacific Capital and author of ‘Bull Moves in Bear Markets’ said gold prices are poised for a “spectacular” and prolonged rally as the recession deepens and investors finally become disillusioned with the US dollar.

Schiff, who warned of the October 2008 stock market crash and accompanying recession as far back as 2006, has predicted a gold price of US$2,000, and rising as high as US$5,000 as inflation takes hold.

Speaking at a recent interview with Business News Wire, Schiff suggests that the looming prospect of a hyper-inflationary environment in the US will severely debase the US Dollar over the next few years.

“The global investment community will realise that gold represents the ultimate “store of value” as a safe haven replacement for a discredited dollar,” Schiff said.

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“The only solution to the economic problems that we have today is a return to sound money… The world is ultimately going to have to move away from the ‘Dollar Standard’ and back their currencies with something real. I think gold is the best thing to use. Gold has been money for 5,000 years,” he said.

“One of the reasons that gold isn’t stronger is because of this temporary strength of the dollar. This is keeping the gold market in check. And the dollar is getting some of the safe haven money that should be going into gold,” Schiff added.

“At some point that will stop. The people who are buying dollars will realize that there’s no safety in dollars. Because the central banks are going to try to pay for the economic bailouts and stimuli by looting the world’s savings and by printing money and debasing it.”

“So, if you want to escape that, you hold gold, which is something that the government cannot debase,” he concludes.

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Music to a Gold Bug’s ears.

The implication of 5k$ gold is that inflation as measured in dollars is 400%. That translates to a gallon of gas is $16, a package of hot dogs is $10, and a six pack of cheap beer is $20! Makes Frau’s social security check and my pension a lot lot smaller!

On the positive side, it makes it much easier to pay off the 11T$ “national debt”. But, how do you think the Chinese will feel holding 5T$ of diminished purchasing power? Not too happy!

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MONEY: Don’t mess with Uncle Sugar’s monopoly

Monday, June 15, 2009

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/e-gold/

Threat Level Privacy, Crime and Security Online
Bullion and Bandits: The Improbable Rise and Fall of E-Gold
    * By Kim Zetter Email Author
    * June 9, 2009

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Jackson has finally registered E-Gold with FinCEN, and has begun applying to states for money transmitting licenses. The company is also blocking people who appear on the Treasury Department’s list of Specially Designated Nationals and plans to follow bank procedures for verifying customer income and sources of transmitted funds. There are other plans in works to clean up the system as well.

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Read this with an eye towards why this fool was targeted.

Think they care about catch bad guys?

Or, could it be that he was undermining their monopoly over “money”.

That stuff they laughable call “money” … Federal Reserve Banknotes.

Paper!

Fiat trash.

No, he was giving people an easy and cheap way to store value.

That couldn’t be “taxed” by inflation.

Imagine how much better the Chinese would be if they had 5T$ of gold as opposed to Uncle Sugar’s little green pieces of paper.

No, anyone who messes with that monopoly, will bring the goons out in force.

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GOLDBUG: 10K Gold?

Wednesday, April 29, 2009

http://www.garynorth.com/public/4857.cfm

Why Gold Owners Are Targets of the Government
Gary North

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At some point, the number of investors who figure out that they had better buy gold is going to go from less than 1% of the public to 5%. When that happens, the supply of gold will not increase, and the price of gold will skyrocket. If as many as 10% of the investing public tries to put 10% of their assets in gold, I suspect the price of gold would go to $10,000 an ounce. The gold market is so marginal in the overall commodities market that the attempted 10% of investors to increase their holdings of gold to 10% of their assets would make today’s holders of gold very rich and very happy. I think at some point this is going to happen, but I think it is going to happen in a time of price inflation so bad that the purchasing power of the currencies will decline so fast and so far that the fact that you can get rich in fiat money by selling your gold will not persuade you to sell your gold.

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Like musical chairs, when the music stops, will you be left with worthless paper?

OH, I forgot, it can’t happen here!

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GOLDBUG: What is a dollar?

Tuesday, March 24, 2009

http://www.lewrockwell.com/murphy/murphy152.html

Defend the Gold Standard
by Bob Murphy

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I don’t trust central bankers to stick to a gold standard; that’s why I think the government should get out of the money industry altogether. Suppose we were starting in an initial state of pure laissez-faire in money and banking, and someone said, “Hey I know! Let’s give this Princeton professor – what was your name, sir, was it Ben? – a printing press, but be very stern that he can’t overdo it and allow the gold price to rise more than 1 percent from the day he starts. Does that sound like a good idea?” In response, I would obviously say, “No, that seems rather risky. I think we should stick to the current system, where the market determines how much new money is brought into the economy through gold production.”

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We fall prey to these bozo bureaucrats when we let them mess with the money supply.

If we tie the value of a dollar to gold, then the Fed can’t just manufacture dollars out of thin air. And, congress critters can’t spend what they don’t take it.

It restores honesty to finances. It disciplines them into husbandry. It forces them to live with in OUR means.

After all in fiat currency, what is a dollar?

A toilet paper alternative?

Argh!

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GOLDBUG: Can we EVER get back to “honest money”?

Thursday, February 19, 2009

http://news.goldseek.com/JamesTurk/1232989200.php

Restoring Sound Money in America
By: James Turk, Founder & Chairman of GoldMoney.com
– Posted Monday, 26 January 2009 | Digg This ArticleDigg It! | Source: GoldSeek.com

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There is a determined grassroots movement in the United States seeking the restoration of sound money. There are many different groups comprising this movement, but all share the same aim. It is to restore gold and silver to its rightful role as the money of the United States, as mandated by the Constitution.

I have written about this movement before. In “The Quest for Sound Money in New Hampshire” in May 2005 I discussed the bill, called the “New Hampshire Sound Money Bill”, that was drafted by Constitutional scholar and lawyer, Dr. Edwin Vieira. It was presented to the New Hampshire legislature, but sadly, remains pending in committee.

If enacted, the bill will enable people to use gold and silver in their transactions with the state of New Hampshire. An article by me discussing this bill, the aims of its several sponsors and some important background information on the monetary provisions of the Constitution can be found at the following link: http://www.goldmoneybill.org/turk.html

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Sad to say, imho, not without a revolution.

When the people realize that gooferment is funded with inflation of fiat dollars, then they might wise up.

Saving in gold ounces is one option still open to the average bloke.

Buy one or more gold coins from a “paperless source” and bury it in your backyard.

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GOLD: Demonstrating the eternal value of commodity money

Tuesday, December 30, 2008

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7797977.stm

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An amateur British archaeologist has discovered almost 300 gold coins dating from the 7th Century at a dig just outside Jerusalem’s Old City.

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Wonder how much a paper IOU from the then Byzantine Emperor Heraclius would be worth today?

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GOLDBUG: More paper money; higher gold values?

Saturday, October 11, 2008

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff228.html

Gold, the Dollar, and the Dollar Index
by Michael S. Rozeff

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Since 2001, gold has risen as the dollar index has fallen, but it has risen more sharply because the other currencies have also fallen in terms of gold. This appreciation in gold coincides with a world-wide inflation of paper currencies. Gold caught up to the inflation, so to speak. As long as these central bank currencies continue to be manufactured without solid backing, either gold or tax revenues, gold will continue to have a long-term upward trend. The volatility in gold prices will, in all likelihood, also continue, and that makes it hard to forecast the shorter-term movements with a factor like money supply. Note that the big increases of recent days have not pushed gold to new highs. In the longer run, however, we can be quite sure that gold will move higher if nothing is done to improve the backing of the world’s central bank currencies.

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Seems obvious to me.

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GOLD: Derivative risk

Wednesday, October 8, 2008

http://www.survivalblog.com/2008/10/jims_quote_of_the_day_971.html

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Jim’s Quote of the Day:

“There is no counter-party risk — when you are holding Krugerrands.”

- SurvivalBlog Reader Rob C.

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GOLDBUG: The Federal Reserve allows Congress to borrow and spend!

Thursday, September 25, 2008

http://www.bobbrinker.com/

On Sunday, I heard a caller call into Bob Brinker and point out Ron Paul’s call for the end of the Federal Reserve. Bob went off the deep end on the fellow. The fellow’s point was that Ron Paul had been right on predicting the trouble coming with all these bail out issues.

Bob misstated Ron Paul’s remedy as “Abolish the Fed and return the control of money to the Congress.”

I agree that, if that was what Ron Paul advocated, it would be a terrible idea.

What Ron Paul did advocate was not that but:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul53.html

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In fact, Congress’ constitutional mandate regarding monetary policy should only permit currency backed by stable commodities such as silver and gold to be used as legal tender. Therefore, abolishing the Federal Reserve and returning to a constitutional system will enable America to return to the type of monetary system envisioned by our nation’s founders: one where the value of money is consistent because it is tied to a commodity such as gold. Such a monetary system is the basis of a true free-market economy.

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So, what Ron Paul advocated was a return to the Constitutional definition of money as gold.

But, no one follows the Constitution anymore.

Sigh!

Sorry, Bob, have to disagree with you on this one.

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I urge my colleagues to stand up for working Americans by putting an end to the manipulation of the money supply which erodes Americans’ standard of living, enlarges big government, and enriches well-connected elites, by cosponsoring my legislation to abolish the Federal Reserve.

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The lack of any competition in the definition of “money” allows the “Sovereign” to adulterate the money supply without the bother of clipping coins, adding base metals to gold coins, or redefining the unit of account. Commodity money prevents the welfare / warfare state from writing itself a blank check. The politicians love the current system just fine. It’s the ordinary working stiff, pensioner, or other non-elite person who pays for their excess.

Wrong, Bob!

Repeal the legal tender laws and watch the free market take off as politicians have to justify the tax burden. It would be the end of their Ponzi schemes. Want to pass a perscription drug benefit, great! Where’s the money for it? Want to wage war in foreign lands, fine! Where’s the money for it?

You want accountability in Congress? Take away their “blank checkbook” given to them by the Federal Reserve!

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GOLDBUG: Gene Epstein on Gold, the Fed, and Money

Sunday, June 8, 2008

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2008/06/gene_epstein_on.html

Gene Epstein on Gold, the Fed, and Money
June 02, 2008, Featuring Gene Epstein

Gene Epstein, Barron’s economics editor, talks to EconTalk host Russ Roberts about the virtues of the gold standard relative to fiat money. Epstein argues that privately issued money, backed by gold, would lead to an economy with much greater price stability and fewer and milder recessions.

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Casualties under a gold standard:

* Federal Spending (”Teenager model”)

* Spending upon dubious things

* “Deficits don’t matter” “Guns and Butter both”

* Monetize the debt; index to inflation

* Unfunded liabilities

* Gooferment can fight wars

* Gooferment can make promises

* Foreign entities buy Federal debt giving them a lever politically

* Banks protected by Gooferment; a cartel

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GOLDBUG: A day that will live on in infamy!

Friday, April 4, 2008

“I, as President do declare that the national emergency still exists; that the continued private hoarding of gold and silver by subjects of the United States poses a grave threat to peace, equal justice, and well-being of the United States; and that appropriate measures must be taken immediately to protect the interest of our people. Therefore, pursuant to the above authority, I hereby proclaim that such gold and silver holdings are prohibited, and that all such coin, bullion or other possessions of gold and silver be tendered within fourteen days to agents of the Government of the United States for compensation at the official price, in the legal tender of the Government. All safe deposit boxes in banks or financial institutions have been sealed pending action in the due course of the law. All sales or purchases or movements of such gold and silver within the borders of the Untied States and its territories, and all foreign exchange transactions or movements of such metals across the border are hereby prohibited…”

- Proclamation by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, April 5, 1933

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GOLDBUG: Why buy and hold gold?

Tuesday, February 26, 2008

In one of our semi-regular meetings of the old foggies’ society, I was trying to defend my love of the shiney metal to Luddite and Frau Reinke. Luddite’s wife stayed out of the fray; she’s the strong silent type. You know! The type that hangs back, listens carefully, and then forms her own opinion.

So why gold?

(1) It’s the only currently available “store of value”. Remember the dismal science’s (Economics) formulation of “money”? The first one was store of value that didn’t rot, erode, or get eaten by rats. Today’s fiat currencies are eaten by the gooferment rats.

(2) It’s not subject to the gooferment’s inflation tax. If you think about it, the gooferment funds its current version of guns and butter by debt to the Chinese, inflating / printing money, and taxes. If there was only a hundred dollars, and the gooferment prints five more, then you could understand that your dollar was worth less. The market place quickly adjusts prices to reflect reality. (In actuality, when more “money” is availble to pay for something, the price will rise due to the action of competing interests.

(3) It’s really an “off the books” investment. While it doesn’t throw off interest, what do you call the increase in purchasing power due to inflation?

[As an aside, you really have to laugh when the gooferment charges you a "capital gains tax" on the inflated value of an asset. If inflation is, for example, 5%. (Some commentators guesstimate it is as high as 18%!) So you buy a hundred dollar stock, in a year it goes up $5 and you cash out. Of your 5$ gain, 15% is paid in tax to the federal gooferment -- 75 cents.  And the kicker is that your 105$ is really -- if inflation is 12% -- only worth 92.5 as measured in the prior year dollars. It compounds annually. Do you really think that a Kendall Park NJ house that was 12k new in 1950 is magically worth 330k in 2007? What did they use golden nails? No the dollars are depreciating and all things held in non-dollars are being repriced to reflect reality.]

(4) There are some interesting  nuances in holding American Gold Eagle, which are produced by the gooferment (i.e., the Treasury Department’s Mint), and are asserted to be dominated in dollars. The one ounce gold American Eagle is stamped 50 “dollars”. AND, it is really worth ~940 “dollars” in Federal Reserve Notes. (There’s a recent tax case where the employer declared his employees earnings in “dollars” as represented on the Eagles he gave them. Everyone paid less taxes.)  Does my estate executor report any coins I don’t give away to my heirs prior to my death in the metal value OR the “face” value.

<< IMHO — this bears on gift taxes, inheritence taxes, and anything where one has to report value.>>>

(5) When one wants to give a gift, you are limited to 12k without reporting it to the gooferment. So, if I give Eagles at face value, that’s 240 ounces. Or,  ~225k$ in Federal Reserve Bank Notes (Those funny green peices of paper).

(6) When one is at the end of one’s life, and the death taxes are facing you, you give a few coins to each visitor. No tax due!

In short, I think you have to think about gold differently.

Now Luddite brought up that in TEOTWAWKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) scenario, gold will be useless.

I disagree. You will be able to trade gold for stuff. You’ll need tools to keep what you have (like a gun). But, gold has a demonstrated history of being the “money of last resort”. In turbulent times, gold is highly valued.  His argument was that an ounce of gold was too much to pay for a loaf of bread. (Depends upon how hungry you are.) But Eagles come in different weights half, quarter, and tenths of an ounce. So just as today, you’ll need “change”. (Try buying a loaf of bread with a hundred dollar bill!)

I don’t give much credence to the TEOTWAWKI  scenario that trading gold for stuff will be difficult. I think that is the low probablility scenario. But gold does have value as part of portfolio and financial plan. (The coins; not gold stocks,  not gold IRAS,  not any kind of paper representing gold!)

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GOLDBUG: real glitter for gold bullion

Thursday, January 3, 2008

http://investmentpostcards.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/gold-glitters-brightly-at-start-of-2008

Gold glitters brightly at start of 2008
Posted by Prieur du Plessis under Gold
Tags: Bullion, Business, Commodities, Economy, Finance, Gold, Investment, Markets, Money

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Waving the old year goodbye with a few new records under the belt is no mean feat, but the real glitter for gold bullion is that most indicators seem to point to more good news down the line.

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With gooferment spending out of control — several ongoing “wars” — foreign and domestic, the sub-prime mess, social security ponzi, medicare costs, medicare drug costs, presidential candidate promising higher taxes — it’s hard to imagine this reversing any time soon.

About the ONLY hope is an unexpected Ron Paul win. (Then, I’d be a “buy everything — the good times are here” nut!)

But, if one assumes he doesn’t win, then I’d look for gold to have an unlimited run up.

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GOLDBUG: Gold is about to soar to new highs

Wednesday, November 21, 2007

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/WhyGoldsGoingStraightTo1000Dollars.aspx?page=1

Why gold’s going straight to $1,000

Gold is about to soar to new highs, and here are four compelling reasons why. Take a look at four gold-mining stocks that could make your portfolio gleam.
By Michael Brush

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Gold beat a hasty retreat after setting records by trading north of $840 an ounce earlier this month, but don’t be fooled.

It’s only taking a breather before it climbs past $1,000.

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Clearly in an accumulation phase. It’s how the little guy takes profits and puts them on ice during turbulent economic times. Though out history, a few gold coins squirreled away meant the difference between disaster and survival.

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GOLDBUG: gold will possibly never go below $700

Saturday, November 10, 2007

http://www.vestopia.com/Blogs/DirectorBlogEntry.aspx?postId=13090&piid=32

Gold as an Alternative Investment
Nov 7, 07

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Gold has had a great run lately. As I indicated in one of my previous blogs, if you look at the long term monthly close chart of gold, $700 provides a major resistance, because gold had never stayed above $700 for over a month in its entire history, neither in 1980 nor in 2006, until now. This is the main reason why it had taken over a year to overcome it, and the reason of the current explosive upward movement. Now we have expanded the chart upward beyond the $700 line into the new uncharted territory, I feel that gold will possibly never go below $700 again.

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Uncharted territory. So what is the upside? 2500/oz with a US$ collapse.

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MONEY: Bullion coins in turbulent times

Monday, October 1, 2007

I never read any stories about the Iraqi economy during the regime change process. I would believe that bullion coins would be a store of value. Better than the worthless fiat currency.

Any one see anything?

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GOLDBUG: what are the Chinese going to do with 5T of worthless green paper

Monday, September 17, 2007

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north565.html

Bernanke’s Speech on September 18
by Gary North

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“We need a return to the free market. No more central bank follies in trying to set an appropriate interest rate – any interest rate. Let borrowers and lenders work this out among themselves. Why should anyone trust a group of academic economists with tenured positions in a government-created monopoly? I can’t think of a good reason.”

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The Learned Lord North’s attempt to put words into “Helicopter” Ben’s mouth is amusing. At least, there’s no record of him advocating the Gold Standard like Greenspan and losing his mind when he became Fed Chairman. Like Darth Vader, Greenspan turned to the dark side — fiat money. Ben is just inexperienced in the obfuscation. When this Ponzi scheme runs out, maybe the people will be in the streets looking for someone’s head. I’m sure that all the FED will be “off shore”.

No, until we get honest money, we will all be poor and tempest tossed. The only humor is what are the Chinese going to do with 5T of worthless green paper.

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GOLDBUG: Russell on gold bullion

Monday, August 27, 2007

Russell on gold bullion

The central bankers believe they can control the quantity of fiat money so that the junk they create will always possess purchasing power. History tells us that the central bankers are dreaming (or lying). When it becomes obvious that the central banks are producing too much paper and are therefore devaluing their fiat currencies, seasoned investors take that fiat currency and buy Picassos or homes near some shoreline or collectibles or gem-quality diamonds — or gold Gold moves up when people worry about fiat currency, and they want to accumulate real money.

Source: Richard Russell, Dow Theory Letters, August 23 2007.

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GOLDBUG: The Nightmare German Inflation

Sunday, August 12, 2007

http://www.usagold.com/germannightmare.html

The Nightmare German Inflation

from a NEWS & VIEWS SPECIAL REPORT

“The ones who fared best were the small minority who had the foresight to exchange marks into foreign money or gold very early, before new laws made this difficult and before the mark lost too much value.”

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If history teaches anything, it is that government cannot be trusted to manage money. When currency is not redeemable in gold, its value depends entirely on the judgment and the conscience of the politicians. (That is the situation in this country today.)

Especially in an economic crisis or a war, the pressure to inflate becomes overwhelming. Any alternative may seem politically disastrous. Whether it be the Roman emperors repeatedly debasing their coinage, the French revolutionary government printing a flood of assignats, John Law flooding France with debased money, or the Continental Congress issuing money until it was literally “not worth a Continental,” the story is similar. A government in financial straits finds its easiest recourse is to issue more and more money until the money loses its value. The entire process is accompanied by a barrage of explanations, propaganda and new regulations which hide the true situation from the eyes of most people until they have lost all their savings. In World War I, Germany — like other governments — borrowed heavily to pay its war costs. worthless money. This led to inflation, but not much more than in the U.S. during the same period. After the war there was a period of stability, but then the inflation resumed. By 1923, the wildest inflation in history was raging. Often prices doubled in a few hours. A wild stampede developed to buy goods and get rid of money. By late 1923 it took 200 billion marks to buy a loaf of bread.

Millions of the hard-working, thrifty German people found that their life’s savings would not buy a postage stamp. They were penniless. How could this happen in a highly civilized nation run at the time by intelligent, democratically chosen leaders? What happened to business, to wages and employment? How did some people manage to save their capital while a few speculators made fortunes?

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A wake up call?

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GOLDBUG: Limiting inflation

Saturday, August 11, 2007

http://www.mises.org/story/2660

The Gold Problem
By Ludwig von Mises
Posted on 8/10/2007

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Why have a monetary system based on gold? Because, as conditions are today and for the time that can be foreseen today, the gold standard alone makes the determination of money’s purchasing power independent of the ambitions and machinations of governments, of dictators, of political parties, and of pressure groups. The gold standard alone is what the nineteenth-century freedom-loving leaders (who championed representative government, civil liberties, and prosperity for all) called “sound money.”

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Big gooferment thrives on the inflation tax for a number of reasons. Probably the biggest easiest one is that they don’t have to go on the record and vote to raise taxes. With inflation, they just spend and print. The Fed is thrown into the mix to placate the bankers who understand the scam and could lead the intellectual debate against it. Linking money to some thing, anything, limits the gooferment’s ability to inflate the money supply. It doesn’t even have gold. Anything that prevents the printing press to create counterfeits. Gold has withstood the test of time.

The redeemabliity of a paper note into gold limits the number of notes that can be printed. Hence no inflation and stable prices.

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